can't get enough of those scientist types...

topic posted Sun, May 17, 2009 - 4:31 PM by  offlineatom
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this article tickles me 8 ways to sunday.

www.theaustralian.news.com.au/sto...html

apparently an astrophysicist has detected an unusual organized light pulse from distant space. (that'd be the important part)

but i've always chuckled at the incredible short-sightedness of programs like SETI looking for radio waves, of all ridiculous things...assuming distant intelligent civilizations would a) develop the same exact (nearly obsolete already) technology we did, and b) bother to send us a signal with it, or c) maybe we'd accidentally catch a snippet of their otherworldly 'hogan's heroes' rerun or something...

however, Dr. Bhathal had the unusual common sense to search for light pulses, since they're actually a much more practical communication medium for vast distances in space, much to the chagrin of, and mockery from, the SETI fundraising committee...cheers!

the article goes on in great depth to explain how life is only likely to exist in "the goldilocks zone", which means planets most like ours is where all the effort goes, despite how amazingly few of them there are.... boo!

i was almost impressed there for a minute. you get about an inch reprieve from good old fashioned scientific arrogance, and then they dump a mile of it right back on ya...

*bonus weirdness*: someone named de Horta makes a Star Trek reference near the end of the article...oh hey, it made *me* laugh.
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  • I'm not seeing the "scientific arrogance" here anymore than just plain old human arrogance. How could we possibly conceive of alien technology or biology? We move forward with a basic set of assumptions that are likely wrong, but the best we can muster. Up until now lasers were pointless (pun intended) because they're so narrow you can't hit anything that it isn't directly aimed at; visible light is too easily blocked and as mentioned, quasars have given us false hope in the face of the "certainty" that it had to be an intelligent source.
    The human arrogance assumes a lot of things about life and sentience elsewhere. It assumes they care enough to look, it assumes they're curious or unencumbered by religious beliefs that allow them to look beyond themselves, it assumes they have a need for technology, it assumes they're complex enough to develop it... Imagine a planet populated with creatures as beautifully complex as what inhabits 99.999% of our planet and then realize we're the only species here that would even know to look and we're just as likely to use that technology to do everyone in. :)
    Just imagine when we shut off all of our radios and shoot data through fiber optics underground, that's a pretty narrow window for anyone to notice the "noise" emanating from our rock. I also imagine if probes showed up from a paranoid alien species we might be better off unnoticed before they clear cut our planet of pesky and potentially dangerous biological components in the quest for more resources....
    Location, location, location. We got the best real estate deal in quite a distance, we better hoard this shit.
    • our judges will also accept "human arrogance" as correct!

      you're moving on to the bonus round right after these messages:
      • heh heh, I thought about it more later and I would have gone back and said something more to the effect of "human ignorance", because we are always operating on such a small set of assumptions.... it's the arrogance when we determine there could be nothing bigger than our own flesh brains...


        mmmmm, flesh brains... where's Trixie? wha?
        • i think her hiatus has officially started...

          no one's going to cash in on the horta reference, are they?
          • I need to google the horta reference, I'm a little dense today...
            plus I have been having a helluva time getting on around here lately, tribe has been one big FAIL for the last two weeks...
            • "I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer!"

              oh hahahahahahahahahahaha... that McCoy.
              I love it, kill new race, save new race, use new race to assist in human commerce... apparently we don't evolve much in the world of Star Trek.
              • i just thought it was a great example of misunderstood alien life...all it wanted was to be left alone and protect it's offspring, the humans naturally assume it's evil and murderous. and, it's silicon based, as opposed to carbon, i.e. *completely different* from us in every way imaginable...

                still, i enjoy our intimate little chats in here.
                • ha!
                  I love in Star Trek how every alien race is so forgiving of human transgressions... "Oh, you killed my babies because I'm an ugly rock? Hahahahaha! Well we are kind of hideous I guess. Now how can I further your capitalist prosperity while you allow us to continue to live in our home? Which is now your workplace, but nevermind that, the genocide was accidental and we're happy to help."
                  I think we're screwed the minute we meet an alien race that has high intelligence and no emotional attachment. Imagine what we would have accomplished as a species if we didn't have to care about other animals or one another, we'd be leaving the galaxy by now... ;)
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    well, if you follow any of the abduction stuff, that's exactly what's goin' on, as marvin used to say.

                    gaye, not the martian...

                    anyways, i was listening to a caller on one of whitley strieber's shows, and the abductee recounted how indignant he was about the whole 'catch and release' routine and screamed at the aliens "you have no right!".

                    to which the alien replied: "we have every right."

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