Mexican Government Validates UFO's via Military

topic posted Tue, June 2, 2009 - 8:43 PM by  offlineatom
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this is definitely more definite than usual:
www.disinfo.com/content/story.php

NYT recently profiled a disclosure lobbyist in DC:
www.nytimes.com/gwire/2009...-19116.html

i took a raincheck on hope for the last election, maybe, just maybe, the right time to redeem it is drawing near...
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  • I *knew* the 21st century would finally pinch out some of the good shit.

    I've never felt "alien" as in "extraterrestrial" from it. I don't even feel "craft" or "vessel" from it. One commenter on that page wrote "We discover new earth based species all the time. This phenomena is taking place in the skies of Earth. Why is the extraterrestrial argument always the prominent one?" and I echo that sentiment. I don't claim to have any answers but I know when they aren't present or available yet.

    Weird EM / plasma behavior? Ball lightning is weird - that plasmating torus-thing that massive hunks of granite slamming into each other releases is weird, too. Behaves weirdly. If what we're seeing *is* intelligence / instrumentality - exo-D? submarine? psionic? the possibilities are literally fathomless.

    The most poignant thing to me, actually, is that Mexico is basically saying "fuck you, USA military, and your history with this shit. Fuck you. We're out, now. ¿Qué siguiente, USAF?" About time. Hopefully American citizens will start paying more attention to the stuff that goes on in the rest of the world, slowly. We missed a lot in the 20th. We're all retarded.
    • agreed, whatever they are is so far beyond our current 'understanding' of things...the very idea of little green men from a distant rock in a tin saucer is just embarrassing.
      • "Good luck to him. Hopefully, the magic energy machine will be coming our way shortly."

        I think that's all that needed to be said. It's a grand dream, but it's based on a very narrow set of assumptions that basically amount to magical thinking.

        I have always been bothered by the idea that UFO = aliens ipso facto, in fact I can't even pry that mindset out of my own consciousness!
        People too quickly conflate the unknown with the unknowable, a persistent problem I used to have. When I historically surveyed the notion of ghosts and demons and woodland spirits and fairies and witches the experiences don't look so different from aliens and abductions and UFOs. So what are we still experiencing? If it's natural phenomena we're just imposing a new superstition in place of an outdated one, if it is mystical and unknowable (which I don't believe it is) then we're doing ourselves a disservice by not defining our boundaries of inquisition and science. These phenomena, even though they can't be explained readily by our science, doesn't mean they can't be eventually or that our way of understanding the world can't be expanded to include it. The physics of Newton was not the physics of Einstein and the physics of Einstein is not the physics or Hawking and the physics of Hawking will not be the last word on what we know... hopefully...
        • whatever the alleged motives, i find these 2 bits pretty interesting. first, that the NYT is giving a column inch towards the phenomenon *at all*, second, as loki put it, the mexican government does appear to be flipping a bird over the border...for some reason it feels like they might be overly tired of enforcing our drug policy in their own country, there's been an awful lot of cartel action lately. also, UFO's are commonplace is their frontpage popular media, unlike here....

          france made the same basic gesture at us a few years ago, just after we had irritated the living hell out of them.

          to get into where they're from, what they're doing in our atmosphere seems fairly pointless, there's plenty of other tribes for that exercise in futility...but, we definitely have a paradigm shift, no doubt about it.

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